A MESSAGE FOR KNIFE BUYERS
(Photos of some fakes are below)
Unfortunately, fake Extrema Ratio knives are being offered on eBay, Amazon.com, and several online stores. (Fake copies of other brands of knives are also for sale.) If the seller doesn't guarantee the authenticity of the knife, take a second hard look. Many of the fake Extrema Ratios are made in Asia but will display the Extrema Ratio name on the blade and say that they are "Made in Italy". Also, if the price is low for an Extrema Ratio knife (or any other brand), the knife is probably a knockoff.
Do not bother looking for a "Made in China" (or other Asian countries) on the knife, on the authentic-looking inserts, or the box since the fakes give no indication of being made anywhere other than Italy. The fakes even have fake serial numbers.
I recently came across a Chinese website that sold an almost complete inventory of "Extrema Ratio" knives. You could buy one, or more, for extremely low prices and the more you bought, the cheaper they were.
I see fakes offered on eBay that indicate that Extrema Ratio knives are now being made in China. NOT TRUE. Extrema Ratio knives are only made in Italy.
Also, something new: sellers in foreign countries are attempting to sell their fakes as originals. Their hook is that your money will "be refunded if returned within 7 days after delivery". So you think the knife has to be the real thing if the seller will give a refund. You buy the knife thinking you can return it if it's a knockoff. The problem is that it takes 6 to 10 days [or more, using standard shipping] for the return journey back to the foreign country plus there are extra days for it to clear Customs. If you use Fedex/UPS expedited [very expensive] shipping you can possibly get the knife there in time but then there is the Customs delay. No way are you going to get that knife back to the seller in time to get a refund.
It really is difficult to determine if an Extrema Ratio is fake or not by just looking at a photo. If you purchase one off eBay, Amazon.com, or elsewhere, check the knife when you get it to see if it has the excellent quality and workmanship that Extrema Ratio is famous for.
There have been so many people who buy a knife from an eBay seller (and other sellers too) and then want the knife to be authenticated. This is doing things kind of backwards: the seller should be authenticated first before buying the knife!
A warning to eBay buyers. A seller's feedback is not a good indicator of an honest seller. One individual told us that he returned a questionable knife and was told by the seller that he couldn't get a refund until he gave the eBay seller a good rating.
Another thing to question is "How easy is it to contact the seller?" Does he/she only have an email address? A reputable seller will also provide a telephone number and an address for contact.
Buy your knives only from reputable sellers who will guarantee their knives to be genuine. Xtreme Knives buys directly from Extrema Ratio in Italy and we guarantee that every one of the knives we offer is authentic.
We have found that some of these unscrupulous sellers are purchasing real Extrema Ratio knives (probably other brands too) and taking photos of these knives to put on their websites. Also, they are using copyright photos pirated from our website and from Extrema Ratio Italy's website to illustrate their fakes knives. However, when the buyer purchases one of these knives, instead of getting the authentic knife shown in the photo, he gets a knockoff - probably from China.
If you think you have purchased a knockoff that was sold as being "authentic", contact the seller immediately. You might want to return the knife and get your money back. (However, I see that some sellers do not offer "money back", they just offer "exchange", or worse "seller will not accept returns".) Personally, I would be very cautious about buying a knife that I could not return. You should consider protesting to eBay, or to Amazon.com if the seller is listing the knife there.
Also, we have been told that some sellers are telling their buyers they bought their Extrema Ratio knife originally from Xtreme Knives. This may or may not be true...
If you come across Extrema Ratio knives on the Internet that are possibly fake, please email the location to me or to Extrema Ratio in Italy.
Extrema Ratio Italy is working constantly to contain this problem. Please send an email to: email@example.com and put "Fake ER Knife" in the subject line. Please send ER the link and/or item number where you found the knife.
FYI: The MF2 series is one of the most copied of Extrema Ratio knives. Many fakes are readily available for these popular knives. I have seen them offered on Amazon.com and eBay.
Bottom line: So many fakes are being offered so only buy from a dealer that you know and trust, or one listed on the Extrema Ratio website, or one who has been vouched for by other collectors.
I cannot stress enough the importance of checking out the seller BEFORE purchasing the knife. Unfortunately, buyers do not heed this - they purchase the knife and then ask that we authenticate them.
Below are some comments we have received about this problem:
" I've come across several Chinese fakes of the Nemesis and sites using photos of real ones. I've owned the Nemesis before so I can tell the difference when I see one in person. None of the faked I've seen have a working secondary lock. The fakes are actually well made and unless you've experienced the fit, finish, build quality and superior materials of a real one you could easily be fooled. M.W."
I know you are probably aware of this, but I thought that I would let you know anyway. There are several sellers on Ebay selling what are undoubtedly fake versions of your products. I got burned by one seller on a Darkops Stratofighter that I wanted for my son.
†I looked through his feedback as a buyer and found that he has bought quite a few of these [fakes] from two sellers in China. If you look through their listings you will find many E.R. folders and fixed blades.
Needless to say, I am still pretty [upset] about this. I have already contacted Darkops. They thanked me and said that they will be taking legal action. I am still in dispute with [the eBay seller] and eBay over this matter but Iím not sure what the outcome will be. I am still considering filing a complaint with the FTC. Can you tell that Iím still P.O.?
Anyway, I thought that I would bring this to your attention because copyright infringement is a pretty serious crime. I donít believe that some should profit on the hard work of others." A.P.F - Quakertown,PA †
One of our customers purchased knives from a Chinese eBay seller. He knew when he purchased them that they were fakes since the price was extremely low but they looked authentic. The knives even said "Made in Italy" and neither the knives or boxes had "China" on them. This is what he emailed us about them: "Hi there, I own one of your knives. For the curiosity, I recently purchased 2 knockoffs made in China. They look nice, nice box, all of the script and logos are perfect.
UNTIL you start to use it, on the good one the thumbstud fell off after opening it several times. Not screwed in - kind of pushed in where I guess they might hit it with a hammer? On the second one, seemed nice, nice box, opened the knife, can't close it. I know something about knives, took it apart and they know nothing about tolerances." Philip
"I recently bought an Extrema Ratio knife off eBay from [seller's name]. It was sold as being authentic. When I got it, I could tell that it was a knockoff. I've returned it to the seller but I'm having a heck of a time getting my money back from him." Dwayne
"I have owned one of your knives before and was very happy with it. I also ordered one of those knock-offs on E-bay (it cost $18) -- I have received it. it doesn't look terrible, but I could break it in two with a very small effort. I am sorry you have to deal with the knock off world. Someone accused my true extrema of being a knock-off, which at the time I did not even know existed. But after that proof, I was happy that mine was the real deal. Unfortunately dealing with knockoffs is a testament to your success." A.C.
Q: "On the Internet, I found Extrema Ratio knives listed as being a 'China Edition'. Is Extrema Ratio now making knives in China?" N.F.
A: Absolutely not! Any Extrema Ratio knife being displayed or offered as a China Edition is a FAKE.
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